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Post by Andy64 Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:35 pm

Firstly, thanks for adding me thumbl
I've been doing a lot of searching, and reading about these Vitaras, and now feel like I'm ready to and see if I can physically view them.
I've narrowed it down to a few that are local. All are SZTs, most are 1.6 petrol and one 1.0 Boosterjet.
There's a 1.6 2018 for £9775 and some 2017 models for around the same price, but also a 2018 1.0 Boosterjet for £10999 with 10 months Suzuki warranty left. All have service history
and similar mileage - 22k-27k
Although the 2018 model seems to be my pick of the bunch, I was wondering if the Boosterjet is worth the extra £1200 (I'm guessing not, but want a more
experienced opinion)
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Post by Admin Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:10 pm

Welcome to the Forum Andy cheers

I am assuming they are all 2wd models and if so non will have the Sport mode that is on the Allgrip models?

With this in mind as good as the 1.6 M16A is (my daily driver is a 1.6 Allgrip)  my choice would be the 1.0 Boosterjet, having covered big distances in a 1.0 Automatic Allgrip S-Cross hire car last year I found it to be a fantastic engine and only on the odd occasion did I remember it was a 3 cylinder with its distinctive odd cylinder noise (not a bad thing just more characterful)
Even being an automatic and on studded winter tyres the 1.0 was both quick and economical

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As I said there is no problems with the 1.6 petrol but I do tend to use the Sport mode that is on the Allgrip just to give you that bit more when overtaking etc that the Boosterjet engine does not seem to need

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Post by imack Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:22 pm

As above, both engines are very good but the 1.0 boosterjet is torquier than the 1.6 and more relaxed to drive on a daily basis. The 1.6 is excellent but needs revving to extract performance.

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Post by birch Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:29 pm

Hi Andy
I have a 1.6 allgrip and in my opinion the 1.6 is a nice free reving engine although non turbo so needs to be revved a bit to give it's best or put in sport mode if more urge is needed,sounds quite nice too!

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Post by K1K Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:29 pm

Given the choice having driven both I would choose the little but very capable 1.0 Boosterjet.

I had a courtesy car with this engine and wasn't expecting much, to be honest it didn't feel inferior to my 1.4 allgrip in my commute and used noticeably less fuel.
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Post by Andy64 Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:23 am

So, I'm now 2 posts old, and already this forum is tempting me to spend money Laughing
Thanks for the thoughts. And yes, I'm looking at 2wd models.
Despite what I wrote earlier, I had a sneaky feeling the Boosterjet would get recommended, it does seem to get
very favourable reviews.
Cons.....it's really, really stretching my budget and it's at Motorpoint, who (I think) are fixed on their prices
Pros.....better engine, better economy, I think I prefer the colour - white vs black over met grey and the dealer gives me more time to reject the car if I'm not happy

I'm hopefully going to see the 1.6 tomorrow, but from what I can tell, Motorpoint aren't allowing physical viewings just now (for the 1.0) so buying from them would be a bit of a leap of faith
I'll keep this updated

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Post by TWSaab Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:13 pm

We have recently bought an S Cross with the 1.0 Boosterjet engine for my wife. I researched all the various manufacturers with the modern small DI engines and it was the only one I could not find multiple reports of problems on (as opposed to many problems with Ford, Vauxhall and VW Group). Having only had it 5 weeks and delivered in lockdown we have not used it a lot but it is more economical than her old Pug 207 around town and more spritely. She has no problems keeping above the speed limit! The engine cam is chain driven as opposed to belt and the auto box has a good old torque converter so I was happier. Good luck with whatever you choose.

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Post by Hayashbra Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:11 pm

I think if it's a fairly new s-cross and it has paddle shifters it will be Suzuki's excellent Twin Clutch System 6 speed auto box.

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Post by TWSaab Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:14 pm

Really? It does have the paddle shift and apparently is 6 speed. The dealer told me it was a torque converter as I was avoiding twin clutch types like the Ford which has had a lot of problems.

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Post by Hayashbra Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:21 pm

I'm think the other way. I thought the old fashioned Borg Warner torque converter auto boxes are all but obselete. Sap power and fuel. Watch the Suzuki auto box video on YouTube it's really so good .

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Post by TWSaab Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:21 pm

Its so difficult to get much in the way of detail specs for Suzuki's!
Have just checked mine and it is not like the Automated Manual gearbox in the youtube video, it is an Aisin Warner 'box with a normal selector/neutral position switch on the top. I think the 3 pot Boosterjet engines do have a torque converter 'box. As an Aisin 'box I have a bit more confidence, work quite well in Saabs etc (although obviously a different 'box).

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Post by Hayashbra Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:26 pm

You now have me thinking?confused I have a 2019 1.0 and I took it as read that all small engines cars were dual clutch or CVT. Just looking in my manual which is 2017 for some reason and only has 1.4 or diesel in it. So not much help.

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Post by STDI Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:29 pm

The BoosterJets have torque converter.
The diesel had a Fiat engine and dual clutch gearbox.

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Post by Hayashbra Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:30 pm

I'm happy either way. The auto box doesn't affect the performance or fuel use over much. I'm very pleased it's pretty smooth.


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Post by TWSaab Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:31 pm

Thanks for confirming. Only thing I found in the handbook was to use AW-1 oil which is for Aisin Warner 'boxes.

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Post by Hayashbra Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:34 pm

Well never stop learning, this forums a great resource. I agree with the comment about lack of info on later Suzuki's. Thanks 👍

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Post by Admin Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:26 pm

I am always open to correction but as far as i am aware Petrol 1.6/1.4/1.0 Automatics use the Aisin Warner TF-73SC and the Diesel 1.6 (Fiat) uses the FPT TCS (i beleive Chrysler/Fiat unit?)
Some S-Cross models also had a CVT transmission but i recall they were only in the Mk1 Petrol 1.6

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Post by Andy64 Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:19 am

Back again.
At £11k, the Boosterjet is out the window. Like everything I go to buy, cars-MTBs-TVs, I set my limit. Then I see a nicer one for just a few £££ more, then another few £££ etc etc. Soon enough I'm, looking at things that cost 30%+ of my original limit Laughing
Looked at a nice black one yesterday (the wife said something about never going back??? ), and hopefully get to look at a black/grey one today.
Both just under £10k
I must say how nice the interior is. Nearly every review I've read goes on about the cheap plastics that let it down slightly. Coming from a Citroen C1, I know a thing or two about cheap plastics, and I didn't see any
Hopefully I'll be in one by the end of the week, wish me luck

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Post by Admin Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:41 am

Good luck with the viewings
I think the problem with the Vitara interior is that you get so much as standard spec than many reviews compare it to more expensive vehicles that of course have a bit more leather etc here and there

My other half had a pre reg late model Audi TT and as nice as the interior was with its leather/stainless trimmings it became very worn and dated very quickly as well as things such as switchgear/speakers etc failing within the 2 year ownership that isn't something we have had with the Suzuki's

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Post by Andy64 Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:35 pm

You remember how I said the Boosterjet was out the window..................
Well, I just accidentally put a deposit down on one - 2018 1.0 SZ-T Very Happy
And, I have a perfectly reasonable excuse.
I was prepared to pay £10k, and then get some OEM bumper trim stuff, an armrest and probably some more bits. This one has both "extras" as standard, so that's over £300 on top of the £10k. Which leaves me paying around £700 for a newer car with fewer miles and 10 months Suzuki warranty left.
Now I've justified going over budget, I need to sort out a date for pick up / delivery
Hopefully I've done the pic insert thing right, but it's the same as this, only £600 cheaper
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Post by K1K Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:47 pm

Great 'man maths'

Good choice, I'm excited for you!
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Post by Hayashbra Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:53 pm

Agree, good choice for the little extra, happy motoring and enjoy👍

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Post by TWSaab Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:54 pm

Well done, beginning to wish we had bought a white one as the metallic red shows the dirt a lot! Note the one you pictured looks like a basic model and the SZ-T has a lot more bells and whistles so worth the extra.

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Post by Andy64 Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:07 pm

Any body have any experience of putting a private plate on retention? How long did it take the V5 to come back?
I had to do mine yesterday, as Motorpoint won't do it anymore. The sales guy reckons I'll get it in a few days, and has booked me in  to pick the Vitara up next Friday.
FRIDAY ???? It's going to be a long week Shocked

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Post by Admin Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:30 pm

I did one of mine last month online and transferred it there and then from one vehicle to another, log book was back within 4 days for both vehicles

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