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Post by maddog66 Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:29 pm

I was advised by my local dealer that my timing belt is due for renewal next year. They advised me that the potential cost will be £1,192.50 to do the replacement as they would change the water pump at the same time. I know and fully understand the importance of having this done but I almost fell over when he gave me the price. I would expect something in the region of £400.00 including parts. From what I understand, they quote 9 hours of labour!

@Karl... does this sound right to you and would it be better getting an independent to do the job with genuine parts?
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Post by Admin Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:35 pm

Unfortunately dealer prices can get a bit expensive when it comes to timing belt changes, I have known some garages overprice the job to put you off as it takes up valuable ramp time when they could be doing several "easy" service jobs in the hope you take it elsewhere
The good news is that the Diesel engine is a common fitment in many models so may be worth getting a few quotes from other garages
The engine you have is known as a Multijet Fiat JTD or D16A DDiS Suzuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTD_engine

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Post by maddog66 Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:40 pm

@Karl... Thanks for the valuable info, as always! I will see what prices I can get to compare with the Main Dealer! I was just really taken a back when given their price!

Do you know what the parts cost is?
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Post by Admin Thu Mar 05, 2020 5:47 pm

You would need to check the parts for your exact Vitara but based on a registration number of my Friends Diesel these are the genuine Suzuki prices on gloveboxdirect.com/

Cam/Timing Belt £73.72
Idler Pulley Timing Belt £32.71
Tensioner Timing Belt £80.41
Water Pump No Price Available

With Suzuki sourcing the parts via FCA (Fiat) there is as such not any "Genuine Suzuki" parts used on the Diesel engine and you may well find the parts are European sourced and re-boxed as Suzuki parts so it may well be worth looking at kits such as...

SKF           VKMC02199-2
INA            530 0561 10
Continental CT1155WP1

Search the above on ebay but again you would have to confirm against your vehicle registration

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Post by Eagerbeaver Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:57 pm

What is the general procedure for replacing the timing belt? Why is it so labour intensive?

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Post by Hutchy Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:28 pm

depending on which car it is quite an invasive job,usually by removing lots of stuff in the way,plus an engine mount then timing covers then setting the timing up usually with special tools these days,get that bit wrong and the engine is scrap,then removing the belt,tensioner and idlers along with changing the water pump if the timing belt runs it,false economy not to change the water pump at the same time,then putting it all back together and re fill the coolant system and bleed it if the water pump was changed.
never done one on a suzuki but i have done loads on vw,s audi,skoda,s mitsubishi,vauxhall land rover and fords and they can take anything from 4,5 hrs to all day to do,especially on things like mitsubishi shoguns as there is loads of stuff to remove before you even see the timing covers Exclamation
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Post by Hutchy Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:34 pm

after seeing the image of the specialist tools i remember using them on a alpha romeo the other year,when i did an engine swap on it..Timing Belt 60 Months or 87500 Miles S-l50010
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Post by Eagerbeaver Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:21 am

I've also done timing belts on various cars but never one that has taken me 9 hours of labour which is what Suzuki seem to charge out for this and I've wondering what makes this so hard?
I've read in places that it is an engine out job - well yes, that would be labour intensive but is that the case on these cars?

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Post by Hutchy Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:13 pm

i very much doubt it would be an engine out job,most timing belt engines these days are designed so they can be done in situ even though space maybe ltd,suzuki will probably say 9 hrs because in todays world if you tell some one it would be fixed in an hour they expect it done in an hour,and if not the old complaints and threatening legal action blah blah start because that is how todays snowflakes perceive the world,you tell them something and they take it as gospel..so like most garages it's probably suzuki,s way of covering themselves Wink
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Post by Admin Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:23 pm

Like many new vehicles the factory manual does say it is an engine out job

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Post by Hutchy Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:27 pm

thats different then,i bet it could still be done in the vehicle,might have to find one to have a look,out of interest Wink
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Post by Admin Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:35 pm

Im sure there is tech out there that can replace it without removal, if it is anything like the SX4 Diesel i recently sold
(same /fiat engine but 1.9) there is not a lot of room to manoeuvre to replace the aux belt let alone a cam belt

It may be worth asking an independent Fiat specialist about the job as they may have more experience of the Fiat D16A DDIS unit

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Post by Hutchy Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:39 pm

out of all the belts i have done over the years i had one car where it was that tight,i moved the engine and gearbox across an inch just to give me room that was an alpha romeo,i can't remember what model it was but i am sure it was around 04 or 55 plate vehicle,mind i as a lot more nibble when i did that one,i don,t do half as much as i used to now Laughing
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Post by Admin Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:44 pm

Hutchy wrote:out of all the belts i have done over the years i had one car where it was that tight....

The Alfa again would be using a D16A or D19A Fiat unit

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Post by Vowner Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:32 am

Did the OP get any alternative prices or additional info? My 2015 allgrip diesel is coming up to replacement...

Also, would an old timing or auxiliary belt cause a squealing sound that comes and goes when doing over 30/40 mph?

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Post by Eagerbeaver Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:27 am

I've yet to hear of anyone getting their timing belt changed on their 1.6 diesel Vitara. I'm really interested to hear if it can be done with the engine in situ.

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Post by Vowner Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:40 pm

I took mine in to a decent independent garage. They said the engine would need to be "dropped" but not removed completely. Estimated cost was around £600, compared to around £400 - £500 they'd charge on average.

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Post by Eagerbeaver Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:06 pm

That's a lot better than £1200.

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Post by alamontana Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:02 am

i have done about 10 of these belts now . they are a bit awkward and the engine has to be raised and lowered with the engine mounting on the drivers side completely removed for access . the tensioner assembly has a procedure for setting it correctly which involves setting to maximum tension and then releasing it to its alignment points . then turning the engine through 720 degrees and rechecking. if its out you repeat the procedure until its lined up. the crankshaft locking point is behind the flywheel so it is imperative to mark the crank before removing the old belt. the new belt has alignment marks which marry up with marks on the pulleys. the main tool is the camshaft locking tool which keeps the cams positioned. once the engine is turned the belt to pulley marks move out of synch so there is no relying on those once moved . you need your cam tool and crankshaft marks you put on yourself. the fuel pump is also easily marked .the job takes me about 4-5 hours then the rest of the service on top of that operation..not everyone wishes to have the water pump replaced and i havent had one come back leaking or failed afterwards.

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Post by Admin Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:02 pm

Alamontana thank you so much for the detailed info on the Fiat Diesel belt replacement in a Vitara, it really is appreciated and will hopefully help many in the future

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Post by Eagerbeaver Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:37 pm

Yes, thank you Alamontana, that's really useful. Mine will need doing in the New Year. I've found a procedure for the Doblo which also has some photos https://cvwmagazine.co.uk/technical/how-to-change-a-timing-belt-on-a-fiat-doblo/ .

Good tip about the waterpump. I'm in 2 minds over whether to replace mine. If it's 4-5 hours for someone who's done 10 of these, it sounds like it would take me a couple of days so may replace the waterpump as a matter of course.

Great to hear the engine doesn't need to come out.


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Post by imack Wed Dec 30, 2020 3:43 pm

We always recommend a water pump on the Vauxhalls with this engine, had quite a few pumps seize on 1900cc versions of this engine.
Not changed a suzuki belt yet but they look doable in situ despite Suzuki's recommendation of engine removal.

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Post by Quill509 Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:24 am

My 2015 Ddis is in on tuesday having toming belt done at main dealer, they said the engine doesnt have to come out , and i asked about the water pump, they said that the water pump doesnt need to be done at the same time, anyone know the reason why? If not i will ask on tuesday morning as ive always thought pump needed to be done at same time, only done 42000 miles but it is over 5 years old now.

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Post by Eagerbeaver Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:12 pm

I think the water pump decision is very much down to how lucky you feel. I take it you've had your belt done now - do you have anything to report? Would you mind sharing what the final bill was?

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Post by Sudzu Yaki Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:58 pm

Quill509 wrote:My 2015 Ddis is in on tuesday having toming belt done at main dealer, they said the engine doesnt have to come out , and i asked about the water pump, they said that the water pump doesnt need to be done at the same time, anyone know the reason why? If not i will ask on tuesday morning as ive always thought pump needed to be done at same time, only done 42000 miles but it is over 5 years old now.


Let's go in order: 1. You could have traveled at least 30k miles, 5 years is very short for a timing belt and a water pump. 2. Basically, all the dealers here just want to get money from you, and zero help. 3. The water pump had to be changed at the same time as the timing belt, now they'll just charge you about £ 400 just for work. P.S: Why is diesel such an expensive replacement? I will answer: flat rate for replacing the timing belt and water pump 8 working hours according to the manual. P.p.s: Who needs a timing kit and a water pump we write in private messages.

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